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Wisconsin. The organization for gaiety at Wisconsin was much more intense.

That's very typical, is it not, of a great state university?

Oh, yes, very, very. My health was rather frail while I was in college and I didn't eat much, so I think I was tired a good deal. The food wasn't very good, and it never occurred to me that I should complain about it; I just didn't eat and the result was that I was that I was very anemic.

You lived in dormitory.

And I lived in a dormitory, and I think I really tired myself out quite a bit.

What did you do during your summer vacations?

Well, I lived in Wisconsin, and I went to visit friends like Janet Fairbank at Lake Geneva. I went to visit Pauline Pabst at Lake Oconomowoc. I had very peaceful and kind of not agitated summer vacations. It was just after the war, and I didn't go to Europe until after I had graduated from Radcliffe.

Was this due in large part to the watchful attitude of your mother perhaps?