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Mixtures of people.

Were they in the nature of dinner parties?

Well, there would be a dinner party beforehand and then a large number of people would come for drinks afterwards. I had an apartment that wasn't terribly big, and it was in the summer when my terraces could be used that I could have a bigger party.

The conversation must have been brilliant?

Well, the mixture of people was extremely interesting. People who have done extraordinary things in the world don't always have the best conversation, and they have to be stimulated to talk and when you give a big party like that it doesn't always bring out their best and so on.

But, at any rate, Miss Swift and I enjoyed it very much.

It was kind of a salon.

Well, it was fun, it was gay.

At any rate, on the 27th of June I went to Europe for a few weeks, to visit a friend of mine, Addrey Bouverie, who had been the second Mrs. Marshall Field. And she's been a great friend of mine ever since I'd been introduced to her by Bill Donovan in '37.