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the cultural center?

She doesn't pay any attention to it at all; has no idea about it. The children were against it. I'm fond of her because she has this wonderful sense of survival and has been through so much in her life and in spite of it all is so interested and gay about trying to be herself and be on her own and independent of her children that I've never made an issue with her about it. I realize that it would be too much for her. The children had decided that they'd never conceived that they should be for both and be openly for both. So I just didn't get into it with her. I just have a relationship with her on another level.

She doesn't then assume a major role in family decisions?

No, the children decide what they are going to do. It's extraordinary. First their father decided and now they decide.

And I suppose Robert is the leading one now.

Well, but Edward is too, and Eunice has a lot to say