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in health and medicine. By this time, the institutes were on-going and the Science Foundation would be started with a very small amount of money.

What arguments did they use in order to try to bring this about?

Oh, it was just organizational and arbitrary.

It would save money perhaps?

Well, it wasn't that specific.

We did, indeed, finally escape from this anxiety and the National Science Foundation has not been a large factor in medical research although they have some fellowships in the field, I believe. But the Science Foundation has supported science in universities generally and although it started with a very small appropriation of something like 6 or 7 million dollars in 1950, it now has, as of fiscal '63, 360 million dollars, which is a fairly substantial amount of funds for general research in science.

What sort of rapport is there between the National Science Foundation and the Institutes?

As far as I know, they have very little to do with each other.

Even though the Science Foundation does indulge in grants for