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Health, because they saw it in terms of something that was established. If there hadn't been for me there wouldn't have been any National Institutes of Health as it now exists, nor any money available. They don't know anything about it. They have no idea. Fortunately, or we wouldn't have gotten as far as we got.

Is Nelson hostile to you?

Well, Nelson I think was rather hostile. He had no reason to me because I'd supported him in his election and in other things he wanted to do, but I'd never spent any time with him, and when I came to appeal to him for the bill I could see he was hostile, and certainly did't receive me in a way that fitted somebody who had been a contributor to him.

But not a constitutent.

Not a constitutent -- but boy, what I gotwas more than what he had intended. His constitutents didn't count in the end. He was really perverse about it. But he was led into it by a girl in his office and by a very dumb scientist at the University of Wisconsin who was really offended by the thought that you could ever conquer cancer or that it should be even discussed. Isn't that something?

How effective has Senator Kennedy been?

Oh, Kennedy was very effective, and it was extremely amiable of him to be willing to give up the bill in name and give it to Dominick and let Dominick's name be on the bill that passed the Senate.