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didn't know that they would work, and they're drugs they've we've known about for 15 and 20 years. Cytoxan and methotrexate we've had for 15 and 20 years. They just were not applied in combination or promptly after operation, whether the tumor was less or was eliminated nearly, when there'd be maybe just a few cells to start again. It was just not done.

So they're starting to use chemotherapy immediately after the operation.

Yes, it's just a whole new conception in the treatment of the group of diseases.

(riffling papers) Here's appropriations...

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This is the table of appropriations, the NIH appropriations tally for 1975, and I will attach that to the manuscript.

My major emphasis in '74 was trying to get additional funds for the Cancer Institute, and I've just told what that amounted to.

Before you talk about the NIH, will you tell me about your appointment to the advisor board. You were reappointed.

Yes, I was reappointed to the advisory board of the