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Well, tell me about your friend Lady B. She died.

She died in September unfortunately, and she left her beautiful castle to be used as a medical research center for American and British scientists and other scientists for meetigns. The first meeting is going to be held in October, and there have been other meetings planned for next spring.

So they'll go there and stay...

For three days or two days. There are only facilities for 15 people, so they'll be relatively small and rather special meetings.

Now about the prospects of health security?

Well, I think health security, the health insurance bill, is not near passage as long as we're in a recession. I think the country will have to be financially on a rising curve of production and profit before we get it. It certainly won't happen this year and probably not in an election year. If Kennedy by chance should be elected, it might happen the year after. But it's really a tough thing to get done.

Well, it's heralded as being so expensive.