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your medication paid for, they will be helped so that they will be able to be paid on a demonstration basis, to say, “All right if in one state we cut the death rate by 30 or 40% by doing this for two years. . .” This is what we really need to demonstrate because then we need a really national bill or comprehensive health insurance, and I still think we're a long way from comprehensive health insurance, because there are so many fights against it by the insurance companies and the doctors.

It seems to me that the statistics of the dramatic decline is something that should be publicized. Are you doing this through the foundation?

Well, I tried to do it through the Department of HEW and I talked to Dr. Cooper last night. He said that we've gotten the Secretary, Mr. Matthews, to agree to have a national conference on high blood pressure in the fall for both industry and labor, and he felt he would release these statistics just before that conference, And I think he's right. It's something that will be forgotten. And if it's released at the time of the conference it will be good.

Well, anyway, as you know, the city and state are so poor they can't do anything.

But New York did have appropriated through Richmond. . .