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be helped because they now have 60 million people, 10 million in Mexico City, and at their present rate of growth they'll have 100 million in 20 years, and they really aren't prepared for this.

Are they nesting with any opposition on the part of the church down there?

Well, I don't think that it's organized opposition. I think it's just the resistance or the lethargy with which things are met. But I think they have considerable hope. I think they're hopeful that both the government. . . In Mexico the rich people are not very generous about giving their volunteer organizations. That's not a thing understood in Mexico as it is here. There's no tax advantage allowed for it, and so the support in Mexico is quite small. I gave them a little support and got them a little support, but what they really need is about $60 million and then something would happen. But you can't spend $50 million instantly. You really have to tool it up.

You mentioned the possibility of federal funds. U.S. funds?

Yes, we give about $120 million in aid for family planning in other parts of the world through the State Department,