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No public record.

There ought to be.

I mean, that enables them to speak more freely?

Say anything they want to, you know.

Last year, you told me that in September there was scheduled a meeting of doctors and legislators who were going to consider anew the question of medical research and the results that should be obtained from the point of view of the Congress. Did that take place?

Well, it took place with Congressman Roybal [Congressman Edward R. Roybal of California]. Dr. Ted Cooper and Dr. Crause of the Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases did come and make a very good presentation to them on the 26th of September, but shortly thereafter I was sick for two months.

Were you there at that particular --?

I was there at that meeting, but Roybal is not really a leader in this. He doesn't really grasp the scale of it and the size of it, and Flood is an eccentric personality that has had cancer himself, and I think just doesn't want to think about the whole thing, you know, nor does he want to think about medical research generally. He's much more interested in his job on the Defense Sub- Committee. He's also on the Defense Sub-Committee of the Appropriations Committee.

So that much as I had been very hopeful about meeting with Roybal and that it would lead to a meeting of the whole House Sub-Committee,