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because I was sick it didn't . I was really just not well enough to get it going. Then, after Christmas, I assembled -- I went to California in February and I assembled the facts, and I'll give you the material, and I just said I would lobby myself. I just decided that it was too hard to get the different heads of the institutes and the sub-committee together and have an effective meeting. They're too many people that would have had to speak and I couldn't be sure that the sub-committee, even three or four of them, would come to one meeting, much less two or three meetings, which this would have taken. They're not serious enough about it. You know?

How many are there on the sub-committee?

On the House side, there are about eleven.

Well, I can see what your difficulties are, getting eleven Congressmen together for any series of meetings.

And I had hoped that Roybal would take some initiative himself, but, you know, he's a man, a nice man, but not anyone with any great scope or energy, you know.

Do you have any relationship with him? I mean, any --?

Well, I've supported him, but I haven't -- for his campaign in a modest way, but I don't feel I have any relationship and I think he really doesn't understand me at all. He's really puzzled, and he doesn't -- you see, it was always Mahon [Congressman George H. Mahon of Texas], and Mahon told me this, the Chairman of the full committee, it was his determination to put people on the committee