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that would be unsympathetic to medical research.

Why?

Because he hated John Fogarty, and John Fogarty had always won and gotten more money for medical research than he felt was necessary. When John Fogarty died, he decided he'd change all that, because he was the chairman of the full committee.

So now there's to be a new chairman?

Now he's going to resign, but that won't be until -- we won't be finished with Mahon until 1979. That's a long spell. He spent twelve years doing everything he could to reduce the amounts of money. But he actually this time did agree to ten million dollars more, which is amazing, for cancer. Amazing. He talked to me just before and he said his nephew had cancer of the lung and he was very worried about him. I made some suggestion, and he said, oh well, he's a doctor himself. Well, the fact that anybody's a doctor himself, the word doesn't travel quickly what the potential things are. You know?

I suppose with some of these individuals you suffer from the fact that you're not an M.D.?

Well, I think that's true, but I think I suffer from the fact that I'm a woman and none of them are used to dealing with women about anything serious.

Well, for Heaven's sakes, I mean, all they have to do is look at