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your record and know.

You know, none of them know anything about me, nothing. Nothing. I mean, Mahon knows that I was a friend of Mr. and Mrs. Johnson, because he was sometimes at the White House, but other than that he really doesn't know anything about me.

It seems to me, most of the nation knows about you.

No, they don't.

Yes, they do. Lots of them do.

Not the Congressmen, that's all I can tell you. Except when they see me once or twice a year.

Now, when you were ill for a couple of months and out of commission did Mike Gorman do anything? Was he able to do anything?

No. He has not been very -- he was not very well evidently, and this spring he was really depressed, and he went to a hospital where they were very good on drugs against depressions, and he stayed there six weeks and finally got himself stabilized and he's in a much better frame of mind.

So he's back now?

So he's back now working, and his mood seems to be considerably more cheerful and more cooperative. But that's something good that's happened, and I'll tell you more about that later.

I must say to you -- I'm going to give you charts that show up