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enthusiastic about the idea. But it looks to me as if we
haven't got the right English-American combination to
really make anything happen yet.
What about the French situation? Has this progressed?
It's progressed. They've had very good meetings.
They're working on cooperative efforts, and it's been very
useful, and there's no reason it shouldn't in England, but
if you don't have the right people wanting to do it, it
What about the Russian cooperation?
Well, the Russian thing has gone on and on, and of
course the Russians have no large numbers of drugs. They have
one drug that's only moderately good, not as good as many
drugs that we have evidently, but they get exchanges of
drugs from us. It's extremely difficult to read their
papers, and they're in the business of having to have interpreters
all the time. It was really a political ploy of
Nixon's to send -- to have cooperation with Russia on that
level, and as far as I can tell, nothing great has come out
of it. Maybe the Russians have gotten some help, but
certainly we haven't got any advantage, either in heart or
You also told me about two Italian doctors.
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