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Yes. Well, they're very much on the frontiers. They're Dr. Bonadonna and Dr. Veronesi.

Milan, aren't they? They're both in Milan.

Milan. And they're very much -- they're very cooperative and they're very advanced in their clinical trials. In fact, Bonadonna --

Now, they work with the National Cancer Institute, do they?

They are supported by the National Cancer Institute, and the British could get a lot of trial support by the National Institute of they really wanted to. The National Institute has the money to support foreign trials, if they're outstanding.

Well, if they actually knew about it and --

Well, I suppose you'd have to put an advertisement in the paper to tell them, you know?

Well, here again, it's picking the right men.

It's picking the right people. I think that there has to be somebody somewhere who would like to do more.

Well, let's get on to the exciting parts of things.

All right, fine. Well, do you want to finish the social end of it first?