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Yes, we did meet. John Doar considered doing something about it. He was very busy on a case for Eastman Kodak, which was lost, and I think that one has to say that he at this moment is not interested in doing anything about it. As he has a very good reputation as a lawyer and as somebody interested in the public interest, it's too bad that he wouldn't undertake it, but I think that just at this moment in his career, he really can't.

How does it tie in with the attitude of Mr. Califano?

It would have worked very well. Califano is still trying to do the best he can, but he isn't going to defeat the tobacco industry.

The meeting was to --?

Was to interest Doar in taking on, you know, a class action suit.

Taking a major role. Yes, I see.

Yes.

Have you had any more run-ins with Congressman Fountain?

No, nothing further with Fountain.

Dr. Krim has a laboratory which is now beginning to produce some interferon, and I'm hoping that with this additional ACS fund for the purchase of interferon, her laboratory will get going and will produce much more, although she's not as far along in it, by any means, as the Finnish Red Cross laboratory is.