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very ongoing, and up-and-coming, and one of their officers, Dr. Boyer, is getting our award, in the fall.

Oh, the Lasker Award.

Because he was one of the first people to find out how recombinant DNA worked in the mid-70's, in the early 70's.

Now I wanted to ask you if this recent decision of the Supreme Court has any bearing on . . .

This helps. It does help. It certainly gives them all heart to go ahead and do something. Now of course it's going to make some scientists quite rich, and this is very annoying to other scientists, but if it gets products that will prevent the common cold, the flu and Herpes zoster and shingles, and will certainly treat -- we hope -- the major cancers, that doesn't seem to me to be very serious. That's the fall of the dice and. . . (cross talk)

It's a side effect, (laughs)

It's a side effect, and the people as a whole get such benefits out of it that it doesn't matter if a few scientists get richer and the other scientists are jealous. (laughs) At least that's my position.