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They have a drug company called Toray which is making it. They are now making Cantell type interferon, and I know that it has been cloned, and whether they are making cloned material or not I don't know.

Do they exchange their information with people here?

They publish in rare places, sometimes, in some obscure journal, and it's very important to find out what they have done, because they are very clever, the Japanese -- they are extremely clever.

Now what group is coordinating all this?

No group is coordinating, because this is already in the hands of industry, and naturally industry doesn't want to be coordinated. But there is going to be a conference in Brighton with many researchers telling earch other what they are doing, but they are mostly people (tape defective)

Is that Brighton, England?

Brighton, England, but they are mostly people that are academics, they are friendly with people in industry. But there is no real coordination, and the National Cancer Institute really hasn't . . . they could have taken this