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very pokey.

Now I still have to go see the whole of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee.

What are the chances of maintaining the same level, however?

Oh, I think we are going to maintain the level.

Good.

I think we'll maintain the level; but whether we get another across-the-board 100 million dollars- it will probably be an awful lot across all the National Institutes of Health, I am not sure. Maybe we'll get $200 million, I am not sure. But we won't get any big increase because the atmosphere is that what Congress wants, they get some of, and what they are not pushed into, they don't have any money left for, if you know what I mean.

Whom do you rely on most now in the Senate?

Well, the person that decides the most is (Warren G.) Magnuson. There are sympathetic people especially (Birch) Bayh, and Bayh has been threatened with the loss of his Senate seat, so he is working very hard on that. I rely on Bayh.