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No, I mean in science, in medical science. The people in Cambridge at the Medical Research Council Labs, such as Milstein and his associates, are really changing things by their invention of what's called the hybra-doma and the monoclonata antibodies. They found out how to make an antibody to any antigen and they can make any number of them. And it's simple enough so that young people who are interested in science are already very familiar with it and are doing all kinds of things with it.

How are they financed? By the government?

That's national money, the Medical Research Council. And I'm bitterly disappointed that we're not giving him an award this year, because I feel that he's going to get a Nobel Prize and then we'll have no chance to recognize him.

But your committee didn't see him...?

Well, they were very anxious to do it last year. This year they wanted to give it to someone else and I'll talk about that later.

What about CETUS?

CETUS is busy about making seeds, superior seeds for corn