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They reach into everything.

They reach into the thing, and I've been trying for the Red Cross for about three years, maybe even four years. I don't quite know how to do it, but I'm going to visit Mary Lawrence in Europe in two weeks, in three weeks; and Mary is one of the great advertising people of our time. I'm going to get her advice about it. I'm going to make a note of that, too. (pause in recording)

I thought it would amuse you to know that I visited. You know, I had no support whatever on high blood pressure from Califano, absolutely none.

Yes, I remember.

He was very busy on the organizational aspects of HEW, but he really, as far as I know, did nothing about any specific health program.

Except smoking.

Yes, he tried, but the smoking thing... People are so addicted. Even my dear niece and Deeda Blair -- I couldn't be more fond of any two people -- are smoking, and they know.