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No, but this touches the pocketbook of the individual.

Yes.

And this is an aid in fostering such national legislation, isn't it?

Yes, because the prices are enormous and people who are not covered are in the most dire straits, because everybody's used to being paid for everything now. There aren't big charity hospitals. Charity is no longer a big factor in medicine, it doesn't seem. You know. Such large parts of the population have some coverage that they feel now they must get comprehensive coverage. Well, we'll see what happens about that.

You say Leonard Woodcock is now chairman of the group. Does this mean UAW funds are available for promoting it?

Yes. It does. They're doing some non-tax-deductible funds and getting some other funds from other sources.

What can you do, what can your Foundation do, in order to promote this?

Well, I can give some non-tax-deductible funds myself. I can't do anything in the Foundation particularly.

Statistics, studies?