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Mrs. Lasker, I recall during the time we've been meeting, that this was true, that it was a verboten subject for many people in public life.

Oh, sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now that has largely disappeared, and it's a miracle. I Just was invited to come to a meeting -- a luncheon on the 28th of January, this next January, to celebrate the passage of the bill in the Senate, believe it or not.

Who supported and fostered it openly in the Senate?

Senator Tydings. The bill passed very easily in the Senate. It had many many sponsors. Now, this makes me very happy, that this got done.

This was one of your original interests.

Oh yes, it is one of my original interests, and I think that you get no place in the world until you have widespread information on family planning. The miseries of the world will continue forever until this is widely known and applied, don't you think?

I certainly do. Now, with this landmark in this country, are we in advance of or behind Western European nations in this area?

I think that probably no other Western European nation -- I don't know whether England has any legislation on this subject or not,