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whether there's any national funds going for family planning in any Western European nation. Probably the Norwegian, Swedish and Danish countries, they get family planning as part of their national health services. Maybe in England too. But I don't know.

Do you foresee this as of any assistance to our representatives on the Human Rights Commission of the United Nations, where they are concerned about this problem?

This bill? I think so, Yes. I think that since it's the national policy of the United States and the United States has now voted money for it, voted to do something about it, I think that has to be helpful.

The President signed the bill. And the Department actually wanted the bill, HEW, in contrast to their not being interested in other kinds kinds of legislation I was interested in.

Who in the Department is cognizant of this, Dr. Egeherg?

He's the head of -- of all health services in the federal government that are not to do with the armed services or the veterans. He's the Assistant Secretary for Health in HEW.

Was this his immediate concern?

Well, he was in favor of it, but it wasn't he that got the bill