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I think others did. I know some others did. I have no idea how many. I know some others did. And I did a certain amount of editing, proposed suggested editing. All of it obviously was in Chris' hands in the last analysis. But I -

Yes, I think the fact that he got away with the sentence I quoted is a pretty good indication of that, because I can't imagine anybody at the Times accepting that.

Yes, Yes. Now, in the chapter on the president and the editorial department, P of course is the president, who is Punch, and T is myself, but I think that later on, I was another number. Let me just see here. In the “Self-Renewal in the News Department,” I believe R is Rosenthal again, still, and I am not able clearly to identify which were Reston, who was in on this, and Dan Schwartz, the then Sunday editor, who was also a participant, and then of course there were several people of the top business executives, Andrew Fisher and Gruson and Frank Cox and it was - some of the animosities that came out in those discussions, which by the way have nothing to do with me at all, that I think were really astonishing, how they came out - and which I really think had a big part in ultimately leading to the -

Resignation of Fisher?

- departure of Fisher, yes, and ultimately of Cox, too.

Animosities between one another, or against the news side or -?