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I am kind of proud, in a way, of that column, because I really think -- it certainly wasn't the first time anybody was writing on conservation in the Times, but I think it was the first major newspaper column on conservation. Not too long afterwards, other quite regular columns on this subject did begin to appear elsewhere. And of course, there were magazines that already did a lot on this, too, obviously. During that period in the 50s when I was writing editorials I did do a lot of editorial work on conservation, too, apart from the column.

That's fascinating.

To go back a few chapters I guess that I ought to tell you --

Whoops. Let me change the tape.

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Tape two.

I guess I ought to tell you as long as we're talking about autobiographical stuff about the newspaper career that I got into. Even at school I started with a classmate, the first year of high school, a --

This was at Collegiate?