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I became attached to him for that kind of personal quality and for the fact that he was so able when he would rise to defend a bill. He had it all on the top of his head. You didn't have to prompt him. What you had said to him a week before, or two weeks before, would come right out. He had command of it. He put it in his own words, but he didn't go fumbling around. He was a very effective defender and presenter of a proposition. He had a retentive memory and what was more than that he mastered the idea. He had understood it and it came out. He wasn't just talking. He was sincere.

None of them were too hot about social legislation. It was strange how all of them grew to it in time, beginning with expediency and moving on to acceptance of certain principles and ideas. Tim Sullivan, as I've said, was the most convinced of any of them, and then only because he'd seen the poor girls and thought he ought to have some laws.

I had heard repeated over and over again the story of Governor William Sulzer and Charles F. Murphy. Whether it was true or not, I have no idea. It was certainly a story in common circulation. Sulzer is supposed to have declared that he was going to be Governor in his own right and Murphy was supposed to have retorted, “Like hell you are.” I'm