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Governor, what would be acceptable, what would not be acceptable, and also to let him know just what Mr. Murphy knew about him that would be most unpleasant and unfortunate if brought to a public head.

I think he went through a crisis of conscience because his action was both right and wrong. In doing that, it was not done for a good purpose. It was done to bring Sulzer to hael. But inwardly and personally I think, from things he said later, he doubted the propriety of Murphy's interfering with a Governor about anything. That was that.

At any rate the Legislature talked about nothing else. I was awfully aware of the Sulzer matter because I couldn't get anybody to talk about legislation. I'd go to see them in their offices and they wouldn't pay any attention to me. They were just wrought up all the time. It seemed almost useless. They impeached him in August, but I guess the resolution must have been introduced a few months later. They threatened him with it and there was talk in the papers that they might impeach. At any rate, it was all the time on their minds and on their chests.

I didn't give up, however. I wouldn't give up on my bills, whatever they were at the moment. I just felt that you couldn't turn tail and run and act as though you weren't