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about-it and was unwilling to recognize that large objects move slowly. The Roman Church could be persuaded of its own account to take a look at its charitable and welfare organizations and institutions, and gradually to modernize them. But the lesson of the Reformations and the post and counter Reformation within the Church were lost on Kingsbury as they are on so many of those extreme Western Protestants, who if they had lived in England at the time of the episode, would have been the most violent followers of John Knox. They were not capable of seeing that you could compromise, arrange, educate and cooperate, and out of it education and self-correction would arise, all of which would have been very desirable.

Of course, the fact is that that's exactly what happened in New York. I don't know why Purroy Mitchel's heart needed to have been broken and his reputations ruined by it. I believe it could have been done even then by just a little more humility and a little more agreeable approach.

But Kingsbury was never one to compromise and later his history shows that he's just gone on to the most extreme pattern of life, opinion and ideas, always fighting with whatever the powers that there happened to be. He had this wonderful job with the Milbank Foundation and he fought with them. They were certainly as generous as they could be