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with him, but I don't know how you could expect them to support a man who continuously denounced the very means by which the fortune he was given to spend had been accumulated. It's too much. It would seem to me that the important thing to do was to have a children's health center and not argue with the Milbank Foundation over whether you ought to have socialism or not. The two things had no connection.

I knew Kingsbury at the time. I knew he was an excellent Commissioner of Charity. He was very good and very intelligent. He was a very good man in the A.I.C.P - Associations for the Improvement of the Condition of the Poor - from which he came. He had come from the West somewhere, Seattle or some such place, where he also had had a good reputation. He was a vary good man, but there was this fatal streak in him of no compromise, which I think is a non-humane attitude and a misunderstanding of human nature, and of that tolerance and cooperation which I think he would preach about.

Kingsbury used to regale us with the stories of the cockroaches that he saw in some institution on Staten Island and the meager and improper diet. After all, proper diet for children was only barely beginning to be understood. The upper classes didn't feed their own children correctly. It