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some postgraduate work just for the fun of it. I must say that I got a liberal education, picking up a course there and a course here, long after I was through with organized study.

Henry Bruere got to know him too, but I don't know where. He went down to Mexico, but not at that time. He went down under the Plutarco calles administration which was after Madero and after Pancho Villa was through with his disruptions.

There were two or three changes in Mexico which I know very little about. Then you began to hear about this Pancho Villa. I remember the Madero group, who ever they were, were horrified at this wild man who had descended. Yet he was very attractive as written up in the papers. So was a “broth of a boy” Mexican style and very much a lone operator.

I don't know much about this, but I just remember it and remember than everyone was talking about it. I remember John Reed, the follow who is buried in Moscow, was at another one of these parties when Pancho Villa was operating in Mexico. Intellectual discussion was part of the social life of New York at that time. This party might have been at the Pinchots, although they might just have been there and the party might not have been in their house. I think perhaps it was with some of those Columbia people, and might even again have been at the Harvey Robinsons. Anyhow it was at one of these social evenings where you had cold ham and salad afterwards.