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Somebody talked about something. You all asked questions. That was a great pleasure in those days.

Jack Reed was there. He had just come back from Mexico. To this day I have the most vivid recollection of his description of Pancho Villa and his armies, the kind of people they were, how they went from hacienda to hacienda picking up recruits wherever they went and picking up food wherever they went. He described the picturesque operations with all their families going along to war with baskets of live chickens, and so forth, for supplies. Their military tactics were totally unorthodox because they had to stop and reform their lines and reform their plans every time they got anywhere. People deserted all the time because they'd gone far enough from home.

He depicted it as a people's rising. The people without any education had this deep emotional feeling for liberty and for honesty. I remember the question being asked, “Well, what about Madero. Madero was honest and seemed to give good government. He had a real idea of good government.”

“Madero was too honest. He was more honest than the people are. Therefore, he didn't match the people.” This was Reed answering. “He was not in tune with the people. He reminded them constantly of a foreign dictator, whereas Pancho Villa was one of their own. He was their kind of man.”