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agreed to go armed. They issued you so many rounds of ammunition. The same way if you worked for the Southern Pacific. They fought it out. Arthur Curtis James, it seems, was the best shot of the lot. I had only known Mr. Arthur Curtis James as the most pious and proper man in New York, living there on Park Avenue in the seventies. It was a wild time.

Norris was all ablaze with that. That was the kind of person he was. He was very tense - very tense - and explosive. He was interesting, but tiresome. When I say tiresome I mean that he was not interested in what young people like us had to say about anything. He was interested in what he could tell you.

Upton Sinclair was a weird sort of a fellow. He had a baby face. When you think of his career, it's odd that he had this baby face. He had wide blue eyes and a face upon which nothing was written. He might have had no experiences or no thoughts so far as that face went. I didn't really know him in the sense that I would say that he would remember that he knew me. I was younger and interested in this men who had written, after all, The Jungle, which Theodore Roosevelt recommended to all of us. Then he had written some other things. He wrote exposes of the bad working and living conditions in the stock yard area.

Somewhere along the line he had become a political