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why I was later chosen by him for an appointment. I appeared before these hearings, stated my case, stated the meaning of the bill, the application of the bill, and stated the factual material which I had personally observed with regard to the effect of long hours. I quoted from all the leading authorities on the subject of what overwork did to the health of women and so forth and so on. We had lots of support from decent people all over the state on these hearings too.

Al Smith would always talk to me when I went in. He impressed me in a very strange way. He wasn't as suave and as superficially polished as McManus even, who was quite a distinguished looking man although he didn't have any education. McManus was always snappily dressed, wore a little pointed beard and looked quite like somebody. What impressed me about Smith almost from the beginning were the direct questions that he asked you when you appeared before a committee. He would listen very completely to you - his mind wasn't wandering or on something else. While you were speaking, he was listening and he would ask a question which brought out something that he thought you hadn't brought out sufficiently. Sometimes he understood it, but he asked a question so that you might elaborate it for the benefit of others. It was that penetrating kind of