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where I cut my political teeth; that's where I met Al Smith; that's where I met Robert Wagner. When I say met them, I mean that's where I met them in a realistic relationship.

I don't remember the first meetings because they were obviously busy members of the Legislature and I was certainly very much of a newcomer as a lobbyist. I probably was introduced to them in the lunchroom, or in the corridor, or something like that. At any rate, on some occasion I went to see Al Smith because I didn't think that Jackson was moving the bill along fast enough. He was a labor man, but he wasn't much interested and wasn't very energetic. Smith, I think, was speaker the following year, but anyhow I told him my story and said, “This isn't moving at all. They've killed the bill for the last two years. Don't you know that?”

He said, “The canners want an amendment, I understand, in order to let employees in canneries out.”

I agreed that that was the case and that the organizations that I represented couldn't possibly accept an amendment to let out one class of women workers and so forth.

He said, “I'll talk to Jackson and I think you might get it through.” He talked to me and always saw me whenever I went in. We had hearings and he was on the committee. We appeared before hearings. I say this because it explains