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was hauled right up in front.

There was a doctor who had undoubtedly taken money from insurance companies. He had taken an automobile. He was a very trusted medical adviser. They had all thought the world of him. There had been shakedowns of that sort. There had been two or three bad things like that. It was very painful for the Commission. That had to be brought before us.

I had the experience then of the long drawn-out sessions at night while we tried to decide what to do or what to say - what to do about this doctor, for one thing, when it was so obvious that there wasn't anything we could do about this doctor, except dismiss him. That was the easiest thing we could do. If you wanted to put him in jail, and none of them did, you proceeded in a different way. It seemed to me that you couldn't dangle along with the idea of retaining him in the service of the state. They'd known him a long time and it was difficult. It's that same old business. He'd been helpful to you in the settlement of cases and analyzing things. First one person and then another would come and testify in these long conferences.

By this time Shientag was Counsel of the Commission. He was therefore in on it. I've never forgotten one session when we sat until eleven o'clock at night. I remember it





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