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You don't take a lot of obviously Tammany ward-heelers with you. You don't take a lot of smart, bright Jewish boys from New York with you - not that he had any objection to them. He loved them. They were very good to him. But when you go upstate you observe the habits, customs and prejudices of the people. You put yourself in the hands of the local people. You see that it's not your Tammany friend that stands at the door and keeps people out, but that it's one of the local upstate politicians who says who you'll see and who you won't.
He never would have made the mistake that Charles Evans Hughes made in California. He always saw the people that the local people thought he ought to see. He was accessible. He took their advice and we took their advice. We would call up the old fellow in Syracuse. I can't think what his name was, but he was the president of a bank, had a long nose, was very much of a Democrat, and quite a hard-boiled one. He was a hard-boiled old politician, but capable of giving you very good advice. They would call him up and say, “The Governor will be in Syracuse on this day. We'd like your advice. What do you think he ought to talk about in Syracuse? What should be the general subject of his speech? What do you think is the best?” Then he'd
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