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man who had been the Assistant Counsel to the Factory Investigating Commission, and Elkus's right-hand man. He had become a great friend of mine. That he was going to do sometime. I don't think he did it right at the beginning, but at least he did it before many months had passed.

So I walked into the Commission knowing that there was going to be a Moreland Act Commissioner appointed. They didn't know it. I knew it. I knew I had been the person who had signed the petition to have them all removed. I had been the lead dog in this matter. I couldn't believe that I would be received with any very hearty enthusiasm.

Louis Havens had been to see me in the meantime again to tell me that of course he'd known it all along. He couldn't ever tell how he knew it, but it was something that somebody heard discussed somewhere, he felt sure it was coming out and so forth. Anyhow he would stand ready to spill all the beans he knew. He had a good deal of ill will in his nature towards those who hadn't agreed with him in his own organization. It afterwards gave me a great idea about how to keep an organization honest. Always have two people of equal strength and equal status and don't ever let them know which one is boss. Be sure that they hate each other like poison. I did it deliberately after I saw Havens, James L.