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so sweet, so pleasant voiced. She asked us if we'd like a cup of tea. We were terribly pleased with her.

Al came in. As Irene told the story afterwards, it was perfectly obvious that he was crazy about his wife. He just thought that Katie was wonderful. He was more delighted to see her, even though he'd only seen her ten minutes earlier, than he was to see us.

He was intelligent about the problem we'd come to him about. I'm pretty sure that I'd met him before this. He was already in Albany, and I'd met him, but I hadn't begun to talk with him directly about matters. I don't remember too much about this bill because it wasn't a bill that was on my list of responsibilities. I had really gone along with Irene Gibson. It was her responsibility. I'd gotten Paul Kennedy to help her, and he was introducing her to Al Smith, whom he thought was a promising person.

Paul Kennedy said, as we came away from that, “Well, the more I see of Smith, the more I think well of him. When I first saw him, I thought he was pretty crude and I thought he was all under Tammany's finger, but now I don't think he is. I think he'll act independently.” He was very enthusiastic about him on that particular interview because he had been so intelligent, so quick, so alert in his responses to the ideas that Mrs. Gibson and Paul had laid out before him