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these things. The techniques of analysis have become available to us. Whether it's medical analysis or economic analysis, we are now using those techniques of analysis to find basic causes and incidental causes and devise patterns of prevention.

I never dared to say this to any other members of the committee, because they wouldn't have done it, but would have said, “The Governor is the Governor,” but I invented reasons why they ought to go and consult the Governor about this or that. I remember that Hopkins went along on two or three of these. I talked frankly to Hopkins and said, “The Governor doesn't know anything about unemployment. He doesn't know how industries are conducted. He doesn't know whether anything could be done, or, if so, what. He doesn't even know what the clothing industry looks like, or what the paper industry looks like, or what the chemical industry looks like.”

Hopkins knew that my idea was to educate the Governor, but Bruere didn't know it. Max Meyer didn't know it. Max Wheeler didn't know it. They didn't know it because I didn't like to say it. It tended to underrate the Governor to whom I was entirely loyal. Hopkins and I between us would raise certain questions. We led Bruere and Meyer to think that they ought to go and consult the Governor and see what he wanted done. I always went ahead and sort of gave the