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Governor a briefing as to what questions they were going to raise and what answer he ought to give. I always told him what answer he ought to give.

He got educated in this process. He got interested. What Max Meyer would tell him about the clothing trade interested him, or what Wheeler would tell him about the soap business and what he told him about the Rochester group interested him. We brought up Mr. Edmund N. Huyck who made blankets. The Adams-Manning Paper Company was over in Troy and I brought young Adams to see the Governor on one of these occasions to tell about that. He was very agreeable. They discovered that they knew somebody in common or were related to somebody in common. The Governor promptly asked him and his wife to come to dinner the next week and they did. That was very nice. He asked me up too. Through young Mr. Adams, who became quite a friend of the Governor's because he was near-by and a very pleasant person, we talked a good deal with the Governor socially about unemployment.

He began to realize that unemployment was a subject that was not just a closed book and that something could be done about it. When we broached the subject of unemployment insurance to him, he was adamant. He threw out loud statements that he was against the dole and didn't believe in the dole. That talk was just beginning at that time. They