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then he thought, “Well, it wouldn't be bad. We'll do it.” Lindsay Rogers then came on the scene. How we came on Lindsay Rogers, I don't know. I don't think I was the one who recommended him, although I knew him and when the Governor consulted me about him I said, “Very good indeed.”

Lindsay Rogers was a personality by himself. It wasn't that he was a professor at Columbia University that made him valuable to us. Rogers has always been kind of an outsider so far as Columbia University was concerned. You may think of him as very close in, but he didn't move around New York as a Columbia University professor. He moved around New York as Lindsay Rogers and incidentally you supposed he taught at Columbia occasionally. He wasn't one of those who bore the marks of his professorship.

I don't know whether that was true of Raymond Moley or not, because I never heard of Raymond Moley until he turned up to help with the writing of speeches in '32. He certainly didn't get around in New York, but Lindsay Rogers got around. He belonged to clubs. He didn't belong exclusively to the Columbia University club, but belonged to other clubs. He was a vestryman of Trinity Church. His wife was a member of clubs and entered into all kinds of civic organizations on the woman's side. He was always on advisory committees and on boards of directors of various