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being able to organize the religious charitable agencies and activities in a cooperative movement that went all right. Without letting any one of them dominate it, he was able to get them to cooperate. It was on a very fair arrangement so that when it came to the care of families of any sort the people of the appropriate religion were put in charge of the case. Yet the money was forthcoming from some central place where there was some check on the propriety of its use.

My memory is that everybody was satisfied with what Hopkins did in the relief field in the State of New York and granted that the situation was worsening all the time, as there were more and more people coming and demanding relief, and that there was very little money really, he handled it quite brilliantly, making a little money go a long way.

The committee on unemployment that Bruere was head of was recommending to the Governor at that time the organization of what we called made work. We tried to get all the odd jobs collected and organized it so that you didn't give one man all the odd jobs that there were, but gave seven men one day's work at odd jobs. Hopkins was very good about that. Money had to be given out and food had to be given out. You had to give out relief in the cheapest possible