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had to pound Jones Beach through himself. There was a terrific engineering job that had to be done. All the sand was diverted. The great problem of all that coast is the problem of tides and currents. There was the great hurricane in '38 which tore the south shore of Long Island to pieces. Southampton, Great South Bay and all that area was demolished practically. The problem of that whole coast is the suddenness of the squalls and the uncertain waters. The waters are of varied depths. When there's any kind of a storm and high tides run, the water actually carves into the shore and it washes out acres and acres of sand. It invades the mainland, or it washes up acres of sand and dumps them some place where there had been a farm, garden or something. So there was a big engineering job there. I remember that he got some extremely good marine engineers to work on it. I'm sure right in the midst of it they had one of these big storms that washed out a lot of sand.

I had many labor troubles with Moses. He would give me the same lip as if I were not a private friend. I learned not to give a hang. I would tell him, “It's against the law. I'm doing you a favor to tell you this. I'm going ahead and proceed against you.”

“Go ahead if you want to! Do the best you can. It's all right. You're a fool to do it. You shouldn't pay attention