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to these people. They're just driving you. Don't pay attention to them.”

I'd say, “The bricklayers (or carpenters, or plasterers) are all here. I've got to do something.”

He always knew, and I got to the point where I knew, that he was going ahead and do it anyhow. I never could get enforcement because he'd have it done. I came to the conclusion that to a certain extent he was right. These fellows were really kind of holding up the job. Bricklayers' work is something nearly everyone can do. I know enough of how the work is done to know that it is not really a very skilled operation. It can be done by unskilled people. He was always in trouble with the labor unions. Yet the things that he was producing were largely to be enjoyed by the working class. They were the primary beneficiaries of the whole project. But it was not the working class in its aspect as trade union leaders who still operated on the idea for labor through scarcity of skill. That was what they operated on. It was a typical craft union reaction and to a certain extent that still prevails in the building trades, although that as an idea has broken down in almost every other trade. Now production and payment for production is what you see as the basic influence in the large, mass production fields of labor. To a certain extent in the crafts and in the building trades





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