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sense of, “I've got him now.” Certainly Roosevelt felt grieved by the whole proceeding. He felt grieved that a man of Walker's competence, ability, likable personality and high office should have had this fatal defect in his mind and personality which enabled him to get into the trouble he was in, and do things which were clearly not correct, not proper, not suitable and illegal. I always felt in that trial that there was a certain human embarrassment, just as you'd feel embarrassed to see anybody you knew well stripped of his dignity, stripped of the good aspects of his personality. I think that was in Roosevelt's mind.

Afterwards there was not one bit of rejoicing in him. After he went back to his office a number of people said to him, “You did a wonderful job, Governor.” There was none of that smiling, “I guess it was all right, wasn't it?” You praised him about other things, saying, for instance, “That was a good speech, a fine speech.” He'd said, “It was pretty good, wasn't it?” There was a kind of boyish pleasure in that he'd tried hard and done well. But it wasn't there on the Walker occasion. When people said, “That was fine,” he said, “Oh, really,” and let it go. He didn't elaborate and didn't seem to want to continue the discussion. He'd just done something that had to be done.

I felt that was a superior performance, not only intellectually on his part, but emotionally in the fact that he was not vindictive. He was neither vindictive nor happy.