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get some ideas into his head of the kind we used to have before. He was always lovely to me, couldn't have been nicer. He was always most attractive, pleasant and so forth, but I continued to hear that things were going wrong.

Of course, my heart was always in the New York Department of Labor, and still is. I prefer it to all others. But I couldn't do anything about it. I had no authority. I certainly wasn't going to run to Herbert Lehman and tell him that his Industrial Commissioner was no good. I had no proof of it, and I thought it would be mischief-making too. I wasn't going to do it.

I heard from people, whom I respected in the Department, that he did go out to dinner too much with Mark Daly, that he did go on drinking bouts with some of the insurance company men, that he did get too chummy with politicians, that whatever the politicians wanted they would tell him, and he would do it. I don't think it was ever as bad as that. It wasn't malfeasance, or anything he did. I'm sure of that. There was nothing that ever gave me any real dis-ease. I wasn't disturbed about what was going on.

At any rate, I thought well of him and I continued to. He was very helpful when I came to Washington in the conferences which I called of the state commissioners. He was the Commissioner of the State of New York and he always