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easier because Roosevelt was now known and favorably known. He had a great deal more aplomb in his approach to audiences. He was stronger physically. He was able to stand up and address an audience. Although he still rode around the race tracks and spoke from an automobile a good deal, he also stood up and made speeches in halls. He taught himself the ability to walk into a hearing room, hold a hearing and make a good impression.

I'm sure that I never heard from Al Smith any indication that he ought to be Governor again or that he ought to run for the '30 election.

I know that Mrs. Moskowitz was always thinking in terms of the Presidency in '32. She always was from the day of the defeat. She was thinking in terms of building back, building back, building back, a situation where he would have to be the nominee. She believed that if you had a second chance at it you could win it. She tried to keep him before the public and to a certain extent did. She didn't realize that she kept him only before the New York public. She never realized that they were both specialists at reaching the New York public, but were not awfully well aware of the thinking, feeling, and understanding of the hinterland of America. She didn't get out into the country very much in the '28 campaign. She had some relatives who lived in the