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Midwest - Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, or those areas. She went frequently to visit them - I think it was her brother. She tended to draw conclusions from what she saw there and what she heard there as to what the thinking was. They were in the department store business. They were involved in The May Company, which at that time was in only two cities. They had come from having a small business to having a big department store. I think it was The May Company, but I'm not sure.

She tended to draw too much conclusion from people who had been strictly in the small business line, although they had grown to be big department store owners. They were really small business men in their thinking and estimate of the situation. They didn't touch the great manufacturing or the great mining or timber or farming psychology of the West, or the regional differences. I remember thinking that she didn't get it as much as I got it from tours around the country that I had made in matters of politics.

Still she had great political acumen and was a fine judge of the New York City and New York State reactions. She said to me many a time, “You'll see, he'll make a great comeback. The ground is being much better prepared.” To this day I don't know what they were doing, except that I think