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Anyhow, due to this year of agitation and general educational activity, the committee on Industrial Organization was formed inside the AF of L and they were told to go ahead and see what they could do about organizing the mass production industries. Of course, Hillman took that very seriously. They got up a big drive and were very successful. They were so successful that the split really came about because they had so many people coming in on those temporary memberships. They were only temporary memberships, but they were invited to the AF of L convention. They made an awful lot of noise. So when the AF of L tried to curb the Committee on Industrial Organization, they simply walked out carrying with them all these newly organized industrial type organizations, with Hillman and Lewis being the chief spokesman and leaders. They walked out and formed the new Council of Industrial Organizations.

Of course, from that time on our relations with the unions were much more painful and much more difficult because of the fact that the AF of L chose to regard this as dual unionism, which is anathema in labor circles anywhere. They felt that the government should not at any point even recognize the existence of a CIO union. I remember saying to Mr. Green on one occasion, “What would you have us do? There's a strike here. It's a serious Strike. We send